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 Jun 27 2009, 04:31 AM
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Of course that is also there. Personally, I'm against the thorn HoH theory. Maybe he left them in a safe place that was close enough to the Varden but at the same time not too close so he wouldn't risk losing them in the battle. Also I think Galby might have given him more than just two or three Eldunarya. If he had many more he could be more powerful than Eragon, even if the Eldunarya were a little far away. It might help if we knew how many Eldunarya Galby actually had. I think it would have been difficult for him to gather even a hundred or so.
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Jun 29 2009, 11:23 PM
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There is another reason I feel it is unlikely the HoH can be used from far away. Galbatorix has been very reluctant to leave Uru'baen, and what is it he is afraid of? Perhaps he does not wish to leave because the larger the distance between the HoH the less powerful they are, and he cannot lug one hundred or even fifty or twenty of them around. Therefore he is forced to stay near them, and let his enemies come to him where he is at his fullest amount of power.
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Jun 29 2009, 11:40 PM
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If he doesn't have them on him, I will never post on this forum again.
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Jun 30 2009, 12:15 AM
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I'm pretty sure everyone noticed when he first said "better to tear out my hearts."
It's obvious he's talking about Eldunarya. He probably had small ones magically inserted into his body? That way the dragon's power would also be making him move faster and quicker like an elf. He would also have energy. And he wouldn't need to carry them. Maybe Galbatorix found a way to shrink Eldunarya? -------------------- PLEASE READ MY NEW FANFIC! AND LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS.
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Jun 30 2009, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE (BaneOfGalbatorix @ Jun 30 2009, 03:15 PM)  I'm pretty sure everyone noticed when he first said "better to tear out my hearts." It's obvious he's talking about Eldunarya. He probably had small ones magically inserted into his body? That way the dragon's power would also be making him move faster and quicker like an elf. He would also have energy. And he wouldn't need to carry them. Maybe Galbatorix found a way to shrink Eldunarya? Inserted into his body? Well, he wouldn't have to shrink the Eldunarya because he probably has some from young dragons and they wouldn't grow. -------------------- "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Arthur C. Clark
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Jun 30 2009, 12:29 AM
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That is an interesting idea, but it seems to me the Eldunarya should be almost impervious to magic. It almost diminishes the dragons'... greatness, if their Heart of Hearts can be shrunken. it just makes them seem less powerful, at least in my eyes.
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Jun 30 2009, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE (Murthorn @ Jun 30 2009, 03:28 PM) QUOTE (BaneOfGalbatorix @ Jun 30 2009, 03:15 PM) I'm pretty sure everyone noticed when he first said "better to tear out my hearts." It's obvious he's talking about Eldunarya. He probably had small ones magically inserted into his body? That way the dragon's power would also be making him move faster and quicker like an elf. He would also have energy. And he wouldn't need to carry them. Maybe Galbatorix found a way to shrink Eldunarya? Inserted into his body? Well, he wouldn't have to shrink the Eldunarya because he probably has some from young dragons and they wouldn't grow. They wouldnt grow thats true. But they also wouldnt be as powerful as those of the older dragons. Which means that he would have to have more of them. |
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Jun 30 2009, 12:51 PM
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Eragon observed, right after learning of the Eldunari, that he hadn't seen any bulges on Murtagh's clothing or saddlebags on Thorn, so those two thoughts are out.
I believe that distance is no problem for Eldunari. When Galbatorix contacting Murtagh and used his own power through them, he was still able to accomplish enormous feats of magic while still being hundreds of miles away. Distance isn't a problem for Galbatorix, I think. Even if he can't use his mental powers to tap the full power of his Eldunarya at a far distance, he can always possess Murtagh for a variable long-range exploit. So, based on this, I would say that Murtagh doesn't carry his Eldunarya with him. He could just tap them at a distance with his mind. Galbatorix probably set aside several Eldunarya in a seperate group apart from his main "horde" and allowed Murtagh to contact them. However, I also support the idea that Murtagh is carrying a single Eldunari to contact the others through. CP mentioned that this was entirely possible in the first post-Brisingr interview, and this tactic would allow Murtagh to still access his power even if he got too far away from his Eldunari or had to close his mind because of attack. Either that, or he's found a special way to hide them on his person, which I doubt. -------------------- A.H.E.M - All Hail Emperor Murtagh
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Jul 2 2009, 03:54 PM
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I like Dave09's theory. It seems like the most logical and most like CP's style.
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Jul 3 2009, 05:51 PM
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I just realized something! If the forsworn carried the Eldunari around with them, why didn't Brom get several HOH's after he defeated Morzan? Perhaps you can bind the Eldunari to your conciounse (no idea how to spell that
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Jul 3 2009, 05:55 PM
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Umm... Maybe Murtagh and Thorn absorbed the Eldunari? Eating gems is odd, and even power bows down to certain laws. Like, magic is harder the farther it is. So Murtagh must keep'em pretty close by.
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Jul 5 2009, 05:41 AM
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QUOTE (maxofox @ Jun 30 2009, 02:40 PM) If he doesn't have them on him, I will never post on this forum again. im too lazy too find the quote, page 351 brisingr. the man saws that he couldnt see the beings that were helping murtagh, that they were there but not there. this is why i think that he doesnt have the eldunari with him. |
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Jul 5 2009, 10:18 AM
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The quote from Eldest says murtaghs mind seemed to contain a multitude of differing voices. This could be the voices of the Eldunari inside him somehow.
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Jul 5 2009, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE (thorn is black @ Jul 5 2009, 10:18 AM) The quote from Eldest says murtaghs mind seemed to contain a multitude of differing voices. This could be the voices of the Eldunari inside him somehow. In order to access energy from an Eldunari, you would have to dominate and control the dragon within it. This could make the Eldunari become a part of your mind maybe? Like having bonds with several dragons that would be there to augment your mind and pool their energy but not to have an INTIMATE bond. The only problem I see with this theory is if all the dragons are in your mind, wouldn't it be easy for them to join together and dominate you, thus freeing themselves? |
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Jul 6 2009, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE (iHateElves @ Jul 6 2009, 02:46 PM) QUOTE (thorn is black @ Jul 5 2009, 10:18 AM) The quote from Eldest says murtaghs mind seemed to contain a multitude of differing voices. This could be the voices of the Eldunari inside him somehow. In order to access energy from an Eldunari, you would have to dominate and control the dragon within it. This could make the Eldunari become a part of your mind maybe? Like having bonds with several dragons that would be there to augment your mind and pool their energy but not to have an INTIMATE bond. The only problem I see with this theory is if all the dragons are in your mind, wouldn't it be easy for them to join together and dominate you, thus freeing themselves? i guess they could though id say galby makes them sware oaths in the ancient language saying that they wouldnt ever band against him or something like that. |
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