[Shurtugal28]

OK, so I'm almost positive that 90% of every one on here thinks that Eragon is a wimp, and that Murtagh is the greatest thing to ever happen. However, I want to know who you think is more powerful. Let's take a look at the facts.

Eragon- Properly (more proper than Murtagh's training anyway) trained by a proper dragon and rider. His power is not borrowed. He has the speed and strength of an elf. Saphira is obviously the more skilled dragon. 12 of the elves best spell casters (plus Arya) at his side.

Murtagh- Stunted growth on both his and Thorn's parts (meaning they don't fully understand the changes they've gone through). A handful??? of eldunari. We don't really know how much of the ancient language he knows, but I doubt it's more than Eragon. I believe that Murtagh some how acquired the speed and strength of an elf in Brisingr, but I'm not sure. (Please let me know if you think of any more of his strengths/weaknesses. I can't think of any)

Eldunari and elves aside, I think that Eragon would hand it to Murtagh. I'm tired of hearing about how he was overpowered at the battle of the burning plains. If Murtagh had not waited for the opportune moment (when Eragon had already beasted most of Galby's army) I am confident that Eragon would have won. I believe that Eragon even thought to himself how easy it would be to defend Murtagh's blows if he had not been so tired.

The second time they met, Eragon beat him. I know that the 12 elves and Murtagh's eldunari were involved in this fight, but just think, Eragon didn't even use Aren. If he had remembered it, he would have easily won.

All resources aside, no eldunari, no elves, no energy stored or random power supplies, I give it to Eragon hands down. Even with all of those things, I still think that Eragon would come out on top.

So, who do you think is more powerful?

This post has been edited by Shurtugal28: 17 October 2009 - 02:57 AM

[loveistheultimate]

OK, so I'm almost positive that 90% of every one on here thinks that Eragon is a wimp, and that Murtagh is the greatest thing to ever happen. However, I want to know who you think is more powerful. Let's take a look at the facts.

Eragon- Properly (more proper than Murtagh's training anyway) trained by a proper dragon and rider. His power is not borrowed. He has the speed and strength of an elf. Saphira is obviously the more skilled dragon. 12 of the elves best spell casters (plus Arya) at his side.

Murtagh- Stunted growth on both his and Thorn's parts (meaning they don't fully understand the changes they've gone through). A handful??? of eldunari. We don't really know how much of the ancient language he knows, but I doubt it's more than Eragon. I believe that Murtagh some how acquired the speed and strength of an elf in Brisingr, but I'm not sure. (Please let me know if you think of any more of his strengths/weaknesses. I can't think of any)

Eldunari and elves aside, I think that Eragon would hand it to Murtagh. I'm tired of hearing about how he was overpowered at the battle of the burning plains. If Murtagh had not waited for the opportune moment (when Eragon had already beasted most of Galby's army) I am confident that Eragon would have won. I believe that Eragon even thought to himself how easy it would be to defend Murtagh's blows if he had not been so tired.

The second time they met, Eragon beat him. I know that the 12 elves and Murtagh's eldunari were involved in this fight, but just think, Eragon didn't even use Aren. If he had remembered it, he would have easily won.

All resources aside, no eldunari, no elves, no energy stored or random power supplies, I give it to Eragon hands down. Even with all of those things, I still think that Eragon would come out on top.

So, who do you think is more powerful?

All of your points make perfect sense to me!
I wouldn't neccissarily say that Eragon is a weiner, but I think he is going to have to harden up just a teeny bit. But if CP writes in the next book about Eragon going around killing people right and left it would be so silly, because Eragon is in a way kind of pure. I mean the boy hates taking life from plants, ya know?!

But, I think that Eragon is more powerful, because of the fact that he has had more training. He was tought by Brom and by Orimis. And weren't they the best ?

But then again, Murtaghs father was one of the Forsworn, and I am sure that he knows things that Eragon does not know, I am sure that Murtagh was taught by his father and by Galbatorix.

As for Thorn, he has hatched out, and then he had to grow, with the help of magic, so yeah he didnt get to experiance the things that Saphire had to.

I think that Eragon is more powerful, but Murtagh is not to be underestimated.

I think that you made some very excellent points here!

This post has been edited by loveistheultimate: 17 October 2009 - 03:17 AM

[Falassion]

On the surface it appears that on a fair playing field that Eragon would indeed be the victor, though there are some unknowns about Murtagh that we may not know about. Perhaps some advanced training or mental fortitude to keep his composure in a fight that Eragon may not be able to keep fighting his friend/brother.

Murtagh has some years on Eragon and is the older brother so he might have something up his sleeve like an older brother usually does. Since they are only half brothers Eragon has a lot of Brom in him, and we know Brom bested Murtagh's father Morzan. Given they both received the same training and instruction I actually believe Eragon would still win, due to his genealogy.

[GreekFan]

Withought the help of Eldunari aren and the twelve elves Eragon would surelly be the winner.

[sean the man]

Eragon has the speed and heightened senses of an elf, but Murtagh has the skill and mind of... well let's say a very highly trained human. He's almost as good at sword fighting as Eragon, he even was before Eragon became an elf. (He's practically an elf now!)

[GreekFan]

Yes but Eragon was trained by an elf rider and an ancient dragon and an elf swordsinger,i mean Vanir and he finished his trainning so he will be victorious 100%.

[zenron]

WIthout any sort of extra resources, then there would be no doubt in my mind who would win. Eragon has more training, is stronger and faster, smarter. But, the Eldunari would wipe the floor with him. Aren can only be used once.

[nks93]

yea i think Eragon is alot stronger. And yea i hate it when people say Murgart beat Eragon in the first battle, Eragon was very very tired and Murgart waited till he new he could win. Then the second time Eragon beat him with the help of the elfs and Murgart probly had just as many HoHs when the fought so now with Glendals(sorry bout the spelling) HoH he will beat the heck out of Murgart. I like Mugart but Eragon is stronger!

[Shurtugal28]

WIthout any sort of extra resources, then there would be no doubt in my mind who would win. Eragon has more training, is stronger and faster, smarter. But, the Eldunari would wipe the floor with him. Aren can only be used once.

I'm not so sure about that. The eldunari do have their limits. They fatigue just as any other creature does. We also don't really know how much energy is stored in Aren. Brom stored energy for some 16??? years. I guarantee that's enough for more than one use. Plus Eragon now has Glaedr's eldunari, which I would bet is one of the most powerful in existence.

[EragonsBrisingr]

I definitely think aren can be used multiple times, although it depends on how much of the energy Eragon uses. One thing I am confused about is this: if you use energy from Eldunari, can the dragons inside regain that strength like a completely alive dragon?

[bPhoenix]

If you're asking whether or not the dragons can recover their energy, then yes, they can over time. Oromis explained that the eldunari gains energy over time, though he knows not from where.

I'd have to agree about Eragon being stronger than Murtagh, if you exclude the eldunari and the elven spellcasters. Not only is he partially an elf now, giving him more strength than Murtagh has as a human, Eragon can still take energy from his surroundings. That in itself is a large source of power, and I'm sure Murtagh is unable to do so.

[Saphira Aiedail]

I think Eragon is, Unfortunatly. But Murtagh is not to be under estimated at all. I think Eragon will beat him soon.

[Shurtugal28]

If you're asking whether or not the dragons can recover their energy, then yes, they can over time. Oromis explained that the eldunari gains energy over time, though he knows not from where.

I'd have to agree about Eragon being stronger than Murtagh, if you exclude the eldunari and the elven spellcasters. Not only is he partially an elf now, giving him more strength than Murtagh has as a human, Eragon can still take energy from his surroundings. That in itself is a large source of power, and I'm sure Murtagh is unable to do so.

As the eldunari are still living beings, I would assume that they recuperate at the same rate anything else would. As for an eldunari becoming stronger over time, this isn't possible. I forget who said it, and in which book it was said, but Oromis or Glaedr said that an eldunari cannot become any stronger than it already is once it is disgorged.

[Brisingr154]

[quote]As the eldunari are still living beings, I would assume that they recuperate at the same rate anything else would. As for an eldunari becoming stronger over time, this isn't possible. I forget who said it, and in which book it was said, but Oromis or Glaedr said that an eldunari cannot become any stronger than it already is once it is disgorged./quote]
No, the eldurnarya can regain energy after they are disgorged. It takes years to become fully energized but they still do it. Now, if they regain energy after they use it, im sure they do, but I don't remember CP ever saying that they do for sure or not so my best guess is that they do. It makes sense that they would because they gain energy after disgorging their eldurnari so why couldn't they gain more energy after it has been used?

As for whom is stronger? I'm not sure yet. I think that Murtagh has the strength but Eragon has the wit. However, I still believe that since Eragon is more properly trained, or so we know so far, than Murtagh, then he is stronger. I especially think that Eragon is stronger because of he has been pushed to think out of the box and to be an adroit magician and an excellent fighter. He is also no a human-elf hybrid so that makes him as fast and as strong as an elf.

Overall, with no help, even no dragons, I would choose Eragon. This, however, does not mean that it wouldn't be the most epic battle ever, and that Murtagh wouldn't be a hard match. Now as for the dragons, hands down, no debate, I would choose Saphira, Master-of-the-Skies, Partner-of-Eragons-Heart!!!

[Shurtugal28]

This is for Brisingr154. For some reason I wasn't able to reply directly to your comment.

I'm sorry, can you please explain what you meant by "No, the eldurnarya can regain energy after they are disgorged. It takes years to become fully energized but they still do it."

Do you mean that they are capable of becoming stronger? If so, I am 99% sure that this is impossible.